okay, its simple.
it works like this.
i will give you a few lines from a particular movie.
Not a clue where that line comes from.
But can anyone name the film where they invent a helmet/machine thingy that can record and playback thoughts. Someone has a heart attack and dies while wearing one and then someone else plays it back. It's not Flatliners.
Cheers! It's been annoying me all day.
CF.
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how did it just so happen that a world war took place in the very year that russell had attached so much importance to?
i realize that he expected 1914 to see the end of the world's governments, and of course that didn't happen, but it still seems to be quite remarkable that this war happened that very year ... a war that would later be construed to be the fulfillment of jesus' prediction in matthew 24:7.. the explanation given on the e-watchman site is that satan deliberately caused the war to happen so as to mislead jehovah's witnesses into thinking they had actually seen the fulfillment of bible prophecy, in order to make them think that jesus had returned invisably.. any ideas?.
This all reminds me of that bible verse which says something like "Satan blinds the minds of un-believers".
So it's not really anyone's fault for not believing. It's that pesky Satan with all his wily tricks. And of course eternal salvation depends on all this. Unfair or what???
Final point, if he keeps transforming himself into an 'angel of light', how can we mere mortals tell the difference?
darth vader rises....chewbacca....clone wars....can lucas please not f*** this one up?
http://www.jackpearce.info/full.mov.
check it out....
I went to the cinema to watch episode 1, I've only seen (and laughed at) a few clips of episode 2 on Sky TV, and doubt I'll watch any of episode 3.
When will Lucas realise that sometimes less is more!
I will only buy the DVDs of IV to VI if he decides to release the original Star Wars film without the added effects. He's even ruined that.
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how did it just so happen that a world war took place in the very year that russell had attached so much importance to?
i realize that he expected 1914 to see the end of the world's governments, and of course that didn't happen, but it still seems to be quite remarkable that this war happened that very year ... a war that would later be construed to be the fulfillment of jesus' prediction in matthew 24:7.. the explanation given on the e-watchman site is that satan deliberately caused the war to happen so as to mislead jehovah's witnesses into thinking they had actually seen the fulfillment of bible prophecy, in order to make them think that jesus had returned invisably.. any ideas?.
Schizm
it's somewhat striking that such a great war took place inside a year that Russell had pointed to for so long
Sorry, I'd have to disagree. It's just luck.
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how did it just so happen that a world war took place in the very year that russell had attached so much importance to?
i realize that he expected 1914 to see the end of the world's governments, and of course that didn't happen, but it still seems to be quite remarkable that this war happened that very year ... a war that would later be construed to be the fulfillment of jesus' prediction in matthew 24:7.. the explanation given on the e-watchman site is that satan deliberately caused the war to happen so as to mislead jehovah's witnesses into thinking they had actually seen the fulfillment of bible prophecy, in order to make them think that jesus had returned invisably.. any ideas?.
Not sure if someone can confirm this, but don't the Witnesses believe that Satan was thrown out of heaven in the October of 1914. If that's the case then the war started a good few months before then.
I think you have to say that Russell got a lucky break in that although the events he'd prophecied about never happened, a major event did happen, which was the outbreak of WWI. Maybe without that stroke of luck the Bible Students and JWs would have disappeared into history.
this is very urgent if it is accurate, please provide some feedback.
brownboy.
babylon the great.
Brownboy,
Please have a look at these websites for some historical background.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/Rev/rev13beasts.htm
CF.
hi, friends ---.
it's my 3-year birthday!
i haven't posted too often in the three years since i joined, but i've met some wonderful people here and i feel as if i know many of the rest of you through your posts.
Hi Alleymom,
Yes that K.I.S.S. thread was a classic, and is in my archives too.
Happy anniversary, and keep us informed about Zawadzki's conclusions.
CF.
in the french's version of awake april 22, 2004, there is an article called " who has written the pentateuch ?".
here is my comments concerning this article in french:.
http://site.voila.fr/tjquestions/pentateuque.html .
Chasson, Narkissos
Thanks, I'll have a look at those!
CF.
in the french's version of awake april 22, 2004, there is an article called " who has written the pentateuch ?".
here is my comments concerning this article in french:.
http://site.voila.fr/tjquestions/pentateuque.html .
Narkissos,
Do you have any web links or books I could read about this 'collapse'.
Thanks!
(And I've just lent my 'Who wrote the bible' by Friedman to an ex-JW friend!)
adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?
whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.--james 4:4. .
for you who may still believe in the the bible, how do you understand the above text?
Schizm,
I think we'll have to agree to disagree about the identities of the beasts/heads/horns of Daniel and Revelation. The first thing I researched after leaving the JWs was what these books were actually about and whether they had any meaning for us today. I came to the conclusion that the books of Daniel and Revelation were simply apocalyptic denunciations of the Greek Seleucid persecutions of 167/164 BC and the Roman persecution of 93-96 AD respectively.
I have discarded the Watchtower-esque view that the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is Rome. That beast is Greece. In fact every prophecy in Daniel is aimed specifically at one person, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Greek Seleucid king who persecuted the Jews. He is the ?little horn? that appears out of the Greek he-goat in chapter 8. He is the horn from the fourth beast in chapter 7 that makes war with the saints. He is the King of the North who ?takes away the continual burnt offering? in chapter 11. (see 1 Maccabees 1:57 which says: ?On the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth year, king Antiochus set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God?).
The amount of detail about the Syrian wars given by Daniel in chapter 11 shows that the book itself was written sometime between the desolation of the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes in December 167BC and his death in 164BC. The book does not predict the Roman Empire and has nothing to do with our modern era. It is an apocalyptic written during the Seleucid persecution and the Maccabean uprising.
As for the eighth king in Revelation, that would be Emperor Domitian (81-96 AD). The author makes it seem as thought the book was written during the reign of Vespasian (69-79 AD) although it was written later. This was a common literary technique in apocalyptic works of the time. Revelation draws heavily on the imagery of Daniel. The five kings who have fallen would be Augustus, Tiberius, Gaius Calligula, Claudius and Nero, the one 'who is' would be Vespasian, and the one who was to appear for a little while was Titus who ruled for only 2 years.
The eighth king was Domitian who not only persecuted Christians in Rome as Nero had but also throughout the empire. Eusebius in Ecclesiastical History III.17 writes: "Domitian showed himself the successor of Nero in enmity and hostility to God. He was the second to organise persecution against us, though his father Vespasian had had no mischievous designs against us."
So the beast that 'was' (Nero) 'wasn't' when Vespasian ruled, but 'will be' again during the rule of Domitian. The author here was borrowing from the legend of 'Nero Redivivus' to further denounce Domitian. The legend said that Nero had not in fact killed himself but had gone East to join the Parthians and would one day return. The author of Revelation links the return of the beast to the second persecution under Emperor Domitian.
So I don't really worry now who the 'eighth king' is, or who the 'little horn' is, or who the 'king of the north' is etc, because they all died about 2000 years ago!
CF.
